GOOD LORD!
Reno Lady

The Kings sound like the pre-season version of the 6ers! A look at Oct 12th's Bee article says Webber won't play in the Portland game (didn't even go), Cleaves is out (personal), Hedo didn't go (bursitis), Vlade has bruised ribs, Peja strained groin but will probably play, then of course BoJax still isn't 100%.

(Ed.- And now Wallace has a sprained ankle!!??!)

I'd say the number of shots Webber or anyone else gets can't be determined on some kind of set number per game.

What if it's a game where everyone is hot and the Kings are just clicking, in one of those flows they get into and everyone is making shots? Everyone's numbers will go up then. The other thing I think some of you aren't taking into consideration is that Webber's shots have a direct correlation to how much and how well the rest of the team is moving without the ball, something all the Kings don't always do in every game. Way too many times last season we saw the ball go into Webber and everyone else just stopped moving, stood there and watched him instead of moving to a spot where they'd be able to take a pass from him and shoot the ball. Both Christie and Pollard made comments last season that Webber had gotten on to them about that because by their not moving into better positions he was forced to take crappy shots with the clock winding down. It's still a team effort and everyone has to do their job, with or without the ball.

It was good to hear that JB had a good game for Detroit. I think he and Corliss, now that Corliss has the starting spot, will help the Pistons win a few more games this season. I know I'm sure going to miss JB in Sac and I still miss Corliss, not as much for his play the last season he was with the Kings but because he's just a great guy.

LET'S TRADE FOR FORTSON
king of the jungle

I've got it

I think Petrie should give ol' St. Jean a call and propose a trade. Knowing gullible Garry, Petrie could get away with another swindle. How about we give the Warriors Jerome James for Danny Fortson. I know, I know -- James is with the Sonics now, but St. Jean probably doesn't know that, right........

Seriously, if Fortson was avaible for a bargain deal, for example Mateen Cleaves and Funderburke (my opinion of a bargain at least) -- would you favor it and why?

I don't know much about Fortson's interior defense but the guy would bring added rebouding. There's no doubt in my mind that's not a fair value deal for the Warriors, it's just that they are such suckers! Reminds me of the Kings with St. Jean. That guy's a curse and should be banished from the league. (giggle)

J-Will vs. Bibby
Feistyfan

I don't think anyone here believes Bibby to be a saviour, just like Jason isn't entirely the anti-Christ. People are mostly comparing Bibby's steadiness and his consistency favorably to Jason's lack of same.

I yield the following points:
• Jason is more exciting than Bibby. (both in good and bad ways)
• Jason is more creative
• Jason is quicker and more explosive

But despite opposition to the trade, his supporters should also acknowledge (provided intellectual honesty):
• Jason is inconsistent
• Jason has attitude problems with authority
• Jason did not improve defensively (or offensively) while he was here
• Jason takes 3 point shots with 20 seconds left on the clock and nobody in position to rebound

In my job, I can be creative, but I have to listen to my boss. Anyone who is receiving a paycheck from an employer is obligated to do what his employer requests in the normal course of business. (And before we get off into some extreme example, I mean something within the normal scope of the job - not something illegal or immoral). If Jason doesn't have the mental discipline to listen to his coach, then he is not a valuable and contributing employee/player/coworker/teammate (pick one).

If Jason becomes the top point guard in the NBA in 2 or 3 years, then good for him and his team. It obviously wasn't going to ever happen for him here, regardless of the reason. That's a shame, because he should have realized his supporting cast here is second to none.

Mike Bibby now has that opportunity, and I believe we will see better overall play, more overall wins, more team assists and more consistently better overall stats from him than we had before. Jason was a game changer.. sometimes positive and sometimes negative - in just about equal doses.

When Chris Webber was traded from Golden State, he deserved it - because he was at lagerheads with Don Nelson - and he (CWebb) almost single-handedly brought the future of that franchise down. He wouldn't listen to his coach and was this young punk who thought he knew more than a veteran, winning coach. He was ok in Washington, but still had problems - and in Sacramento has played his very best ball for the last few years.

Why?

Maturity? Growth? Mental Awareness? It doesn't matter, it is just a fact that Sacramento was the better situation for Chris' game. Jason may find that Memphis is the type of environment where his skills are utilized better under that coach and those teammates.. The NBA is full of stories, like Scot Pollard perhaps, where one city and situation is just "not right" for a players skill and talent. So all I'm saying is, two things:

1. Jason would have NEVER flourished here with this system, team, coach & staff.
2. The Kings made the right choice in moving him instead of changing coaches for him or anything else in the rest of their system.

jdawg

The goal of any trade is to improve the team's talent. If Bibby turns out to be an improvement over Williams then the trade was successful.

No one should be expecting Bibby to "take this team to another level". What Bibby SHOULD be expected to do is to get the team into its offense every time down the floor, create better looks for guys, make good decisions and hit open jumpers. In no way is he going to be the "star" of the team, and thus the onus is NOT on him to carry the Kings.

Bibby should be expected to be a facilitator, not a savior. As for his defense, its awful. Part of the reason I'm not riding high on the Bibby bandwagon. But considering that JWill was the worst defensive PG in the NBA, Mike will be an improvement by default. However I still believe (and in some ways hope) that we may still see Bobby Jackson closing out some games depending on matchups.

I suppose if the Kings don't get to the WCF then resigning CWebb was a failure too . Sorry for the sarcasm but you can't look at this deal in such black and white terms. Did the Kings get a better PG out of the trade? We'll have to see, but THAT'S how the deal should be judged.