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"BLEACHER MOB DAY-AT-THE-KINGS"

December 17, 2001

COMING OUT PARTY FOR "FLUBBER"

SAME OLD JASON IN HIS RETURN FOR THE 3RD
"MOB DAY AT THE KINGS"


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Gera
ld Wallace, or "Flubber" as the Bleacher Mob fondly calls him,
throws down one of his nasty dunks Sunday against the Griz.
This guy definitely plays above the rim.
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KINGS PUMMEL GRIZZLIES

Reno Lady

Good morning Mobsters and Kings fans everywhere. I hope all of you had a great time at the game last night. I kept hoping to see some signs reading "The Bleacher Mob" while watching the game on tv but never did.

The Kings played a better game, I think, than the last two but it's hard to tell because of their opponent. Let's see how they do against the Pistons tomorrow night. It will be nice to see Corliss and Barry play again even if it's not with the Kings. IMO the team is still out of sync a little, especially Vlade and Chris but it's getting better. I also think Hedo starting has put them out of sync a little just because his timing is a little different than Peja's. The rebounding was definitely better and they played better defense. Against Minnesota they just looked lost; don't know if it was the cold, the crowd, the Wolves, or maybe they were still focused on the loss in Phoenix....whatever it was they seemed to be over it last night. Currently the Kings are one game behind where I predicted them (on my own scorecard) to be at this time. I didn't think they'd win in Minnesota but thought for sure they'd beat Phoenix....another game they need to make up somewhere along the line (maybe against the Lakers?). The Clippers game is worrisome because the Kings have had problems with the Clips in the past and they Clippers are even better now. Adelman may put Wallace in early to combat some of the athleticism of the Clippers.

Wallace wants to learn, and seems to learn pretty fast, not making many of the same mistakes more than once. I'm guessing by the time he's 21, barring injuries, he'll be one of the most talked about players in the league & may garner a 6th man award. Adelman should have used him more in the Phoenix game, not for offense, but for defense and to make his man work harder on the defensive end. With his speed and his leaping ability (Flubber is the perfect name for this kid BTW-thanks Q) he's going to give everyone fits. I'd love to see him up against Kobe for some significant minutes sometime this year.

It was nice to see Webber's dad at the game last night. I don't think anyone can help but admire the relationship Chris and his dad have.

 

Ozzie

Wallace at 19.....

can at least hit the rim with 3 point shots as compared to that other guy at 19...

and he's just as quick and jumps like the other guy does now..

and he rebounds better than the other guy does now...

and by time he's 23......

 

SWEEtness

My husband and I had a GREAT time last night. I had a couple of friends there who are newly converted Kings fans (thanks to the game - I'm sure the decided victory helped). I grew up in Kansas with the girl that was with me. She didn't even know the Kings were in Kansas at the time (I don't remember them being very good, and most of the attention was on George Brett and the Royals at the time). She did remember Scot from KU. Well, anyway, she came out of that arena listing all of the players names, jersy numbers, and positions! She has potential as a Kings fan. She's an administrator at Kaiser, so she is going to hunt some more tickets down at the hospital...she may become a regular.

I seem to have lost track of my co-worker. I hope he made it out of there okay. He disappeared in the fourth quarter...guess I'll see if he made it to work...

I'm pretty shy, too. I tried to push myself out of my shell as far as I could go. I'm glad I went to the tailgate...but it was COLD! Thanks Kingsgurl for setting that up.

I thought we were going over to the lounge after the game, but my husband wanted to feed our friends (real food) before they went back to Stockton. They had to get to work early, so we just left. I was disappointed because I wanted to meet more of you. And I was rude and didn't say bye. Forgive my rudeness.

Oh yeah, and the game. The bright spot was definitely Flubber. Was glad to see it in person and be a part of the crowd chanting his name. I'm sure he was thrilled by it. Can someone post what he said in the post-game interview (that is assuming he was the one interviewed)?

Thanks again kb for putting this all together.




GREAT GAME (BUT WHAT'S WITH THE MALE DANCERS?)

Kingme

I was totally, and pleasantly, surprised that my satisfaction would come not from seeing Jwill's return to Arco, or the Kings payback for their earlier loss against the Grizz, but from the quality playing time given young Wallace, and the sheer joy and excitment he showed as he mafde the most of it! For a jaded, old sports fan like myself, this is what makes pro sports


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Now we finally have photographic evidence why J-Will is such an erratic shooter.

"MAYBE IF YOU OPENED YOUR EYES
WHEN YOU SHOOT, JASON, MORE OF
THEM WOULD GO IN."
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worthwhile - to see a young rookie finally get a chance to show his stuff before the home crowd. And the crowd was so wonderful to him - just going nuts, ven on his failed dunk attempts. And then chanting his name when he was at the free throw line - it realy must be a dream come true for him. Let's hope he'll have many more games like that in a Kings uni!
The JWill thing was almost anti-climatic. I felt badly for Jason - to see him trying to run a team that's struggling, and then to be embarrassed in the place where he was once king himself, in more ways than one. Sigh. On a humorous note, what about those male dancers??! They were awful! not because they were men, but because they were unattractive - the white guy was a pudgy, little butterball! If you're gonna have male dancers, they should be as attractive as the women! do you mean to tell me in all of Sac these were the best they could find?! I loved it when the crowd booed them in the third quarter, and then they were noticeably absent for the rest of the timeouts! I don't even like the dancers, period. It's another gimmicky thing the NBA stole from the ABA to make games more exciting and an all-around entertainment package. Heck, isn't the game exciting enough without it? For years, teams like the Celtics and the Knicks refused to have dance teams or mascots. I don't know if the Celtics have either, still!

 

Bonsy

I have to agree with you on that. I don't like to see dancers at sporting events.

I love dance, I have a background in dance and my daughter is very involved in dance. I enjoy the "dance" aspects, I even apprecated the male dancers last night. They were talented.

But, the whole point of the dancers as "cheerleaders" isn't about dance. It's about having young women out there half naked, jiggling across the floor.

I've just accepted it, since there's obviously nothing I can do to stop it. Apparently they're there for the men to stare at.

But that all hit home after listening to the Rise Guys this morning. They were really ragging on the male dancers and that ticked me off. Their problem was just "guy talk" about not wanting to see men dancing at all, something "gay" about it. THAT ticked me off.

I try to watch some of the women and a few of them are very good dancers. Cara is especially good, and she's also very pretty. But some of them are just out there bouncing around for the bounce of it.

So to try to discuss these male dancers as "dancers" is a waste of time when it seems they're just supposed to be there to "look at". And Kingme was right, they weren't much to look at, but they were very good dancers.

Sigh...

The other thing is, the crowd loves the Hip Hop Crew and they have several male participants that get big cheers.

I don't understand why they weren't noticed by the Rise Guys then.

 

Chris Webber our 125 million dollar jump shooter

Bo Kimble

When did Chris forget to attack the rim? It's almost painful watching him. I hope it's the ankle cuz he's looking old, slow and predictable, no explosion what so ever. It's basically 50/50 that if he goes into the post that he'll get an offensive foul called on him. No creativity or imagination . . . I mean he's got guys like Laphonso Ellis and Pau Gasol giving him fits. Not exactly Karl Malone or even Horace Grant. I'm not usually one to rip Webber, but remember when he used to rip rebounds down and flush them back on people, ran the floor like a guard and finished the break . . . I hope it's the ankle cuz I'm getting tired of watching him hoist up 18 footers . . . this team has about 6-7 guys I'd rather see shooting long jumpers.

I think he falls in love with his jumper, he runs down court, sets up in the high post and instead of the ball swinging around and people cutting off the ball, Webber holds it and decides what he is going to do with it. Sometimes he gets really creative and crosses over twice and then launches his 18 footer.

I remember when Webber actually would throw down on someone.

Fortunately, we've got Gerald Wallace. HAHAHAHA

I don't really have a problem with him taking it. Because you're right, he does get that shot a lot in the flow of the offense... because the defense gives it to him. But he starts shooting jumpers and doesn't use the entire arsenal like Duncan or Garnett. When was the last time you saw Duncan camp at the high post and shoot 15 jumpers a game, it doesn't happen.Webber makes one or two and then he camps at the high post and waits there.

Like Steve Kerr waiting at the 3 pt line.

I've watched Webber since the Michigan days and I don't need a shot chart to know he's playing a different game than he used to. Even different from his first year with Sac.

Not necessarily better.

I mean his first year with Sac, he won a rebounding title.

Maybe it's his ankles because they need him to bring it and be a power forward not some sissy finesse forward.

Steve Kerr was a stretch, but IMO the offense moves better and there are more 'cutters' when Vlade or Chris sets up in the low post, not Webber getting the ball in the high post.

Regardless of his free throws early, even though one was from a foul on a stick back attempt and another was him being bailed out . . . he fell in love with his jumper for the final 3 quarters.

It's got to be the ankles though, because the Webber that played 'before' the ankle injury last year, the guy who was exploding and dropping 50 on Indiana with a mixture of the power game and the mid range game is nothing like the guy we've been seeing after the ankle injury, this year and last year.

 

SactoGreg

I think the ankles are certainly part of the problem, but not the entire reason for Chris' jump shot selection. He has gradually become more comfortable with the 18 footer and I think a lot has to do with Chris maturing as a seasoned veteran. Sure, his confidence level seems to be lower with the ankle problems, but his long range jumper really has rounded out his overall package.

With that being said, I agree that he needs to move to the basket more often than not. He seems to favor the outside jumper TOO much these days, and he is very effective when he penetrates the paint. He is a very good free throw shooter as well, so getting to the line should be a higher priority for his game.

Let's watch him closely over the next few games. We should really know more about his ankles if he continues to play cautiously as he appears to be in the last five games.

 

Q

Look into my crystal ball...

Chris signed a 7 year, $123 million contract, but that does not mean what so many of you thought it meant - that he would continue to improve, to be the Kings dominant player and to lead them to the championship, or even stay with the Kings. I knew that then, and can only say that there is no guarantee that Chris will be anything more than a very talented, injury-prone player during his stay here. He may be gifted; he may be charming; but he is not a leader, like everyone seems to want him to be. Unless he has a no trade clause on his contract (I forget), he could be traded; and even if he does not have such a clause, he may eventually wish to be traded (especially if Hedo and Flubber are stealing his thunder).

Mike will play out the the year left on his traded contract, but he has yet to re-sign. Counting on him being here after this season is wishful thinking. If he continues to be an asset, then there will be a bidding war for his services; and even if he re-signs, there is no guarantee that Geoff might not trade him.

Peja has back problems now. If he solves them, he will be a force in this league and for the Kings for a decade to come, because Geoff loves the guy's shot and game and potential. If he does not solve them, then he will end up a gifted role player. Right now he is injured, and so Hedo and Flubber will get lots more time; which, just as when Chris was out, will help the young talent evolve faster. When he returns, he will have to fight hard to get his starting job back and, if healed fully, will manage it.

Doug is going to be healthy and play hard every night, but will soon enough be relegated to a role player during the course of his six year contract.

Vlade has just three years left on his contract, and will probably not get it renewed. So this is his time to get a championship or not. He will be a starter for as long as he remains effective, but will see less and less minutes, except during the playoffs or when the Kings are not getting what they need from their "stars" (Chris and Peja, initially).

Scot is more than just a role player. He is the Kings next starting center. That is until someone like Tim Duncan joins the team; but perhaps even then. He just keeps getting better and better and makes things happen defensively while he is in there. That said, as valuable as he is, his staying depends upon lots of factors beyond his immediate control. He could start on lots of teams in the league right now. It just depends upon what Geoff envisions and what becomes available to him.

Bobby is quicksilver and can start on most teams, but is again relegated to backup. Watching him I get the feeling he lusts after stardom and wants to be a regular starter. He accepts his role, sure; but looks hungry out there, even more than last season. He makes things happen. Will he be around for awhile? Again, it all depends.

Hedo, if he stays healthy, decides to go after it, and the Kings pay him and play him enough, is the future of this team.

Flubber, if he stays healthy, continues to learn the game avidly, and the Kings pay him and play him enough, is the future of this team as well.

Also, there are players on other teams whose contracts will run out and they will be looking to play somewhere else. One of these players is Tim Duncan. I think he is available in two years; and I get the feeling he wants to play here. He could replace Vlade, or Chris for that matter. (I mean, if Mike is a valid change of direction for the team over Jason, then Tim would be just as valid a change for the team over Chris.)

Also, there are less gifted but just as viable options out there, depending upon the makeup of the team at any given point. For example, the Suns' Big Jake could be a welcome addition to the Kings, depending upon what the Kings would have to give up for him. There are lots of examples out there that you can think up.

Why am I saying all this? Because it is becoming clearer to me that Geoff's objective is two-fold: to build a team that is entertaining and thus sells tickets and ancillary and gets TV airtime and revenue; and to build a team that wins championships. The owners do not matter, as long as they are willing to pay the players and the bills and stay out of Geoff's way. What matters is that Geoff accomplish his aims and prove himself. It does not matter to him whether or not the public gives him the credit. I am sure it amuses him when the media lavishes the owners with so much credit for the team's success. He knows that the people who write the checks, the powerbrokers will know the truth. He is betting on it. So...

He needed a team that had no winning record and no real media market to build into a winner. The Kings. Sacramento.

He needed to be able to call the shots eventually. Out goes the old owner, in comes the new.

He needed coaches on his wavelength he could sway. Out goes prior coaches, in comes Rick and Pete.

He needed to offload distractions regardless how nice or gifted and pull in the best talent available, extraordinary talent, even if they were tainted or flawed in some way who he could have his coaches mold into a winning unit. Out goes Mitch, in comes Chris. In comes Peja, Jason, Vlade, Hedo, Bobby, and Doug, and out goes Olden, Max and Corliss. Out goes Jason, in comes Mike and Flubber. You get the idea.

Of all these players, aside from Chris and Jason, the best natural athletes Geoff has pulled in are Hedo and Flubber. Peja is the best shooter and learns other aspects of the game fast.

Thus, it is my humble contention that Peja (if he heals his back), Hedo and Flubber are the players most likely to be the stars of this team on into the future, even near a decade from now. (And it is entirely possible that somebody like Tim Duncan, or someone else who could be a huge impact player for the team, will join the Kings within a couple of years.)

What I am hoping is that the Kings SOMEHOW manage to find a way to win the Championship THIS and/or next season; so that Vlade and Chris can realize their dreams of a championship, and the Kings can smoothly begin to metamorphosize into a perennial contender and champion and boxoffice/TV-airtime sensation, just as Geoff envisions. This would speed up the process markedly and make it much more possible for Geoff to continue to build the team.

Vlade's spirit holds this team together right now, and so the Kings need to win a championship soon. This way when Vlade's body can no longer followup on his spirit's intentions, the team will more easily replenish itself with superior talent to carry on.

If not, then this window of opportunity could too easily slip out of Geoff's and the Kings' grasp.

This season: first Chris is out for a month and comes back less than impressive, but the Kings win like crazy; next Peja hurts his back, and Hedo and Flubber get more time and make the best of it and the Kings start winning again; and finally, at the end of the season, every player will have developed his game and the Kings go raging and roaring into the playoffs with everybody healthy, driven and on the same page, and win it all.





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